I have to say that although Paul is in prison in this passage, he definately writes a happy, loving letter full of the praises of our Lord Jesus Christ. Can't say I could do the same were I in his position.
I find it interesting that he talks about the motives of those who are preaching the Good News while he's in jail. Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy! I run into this spirit and it's manifestations continuously. Imagine---Paul is in JAIL, and people are preaching to make Paul jealous thinking that their success will add to his sorrows while he's in jail.
I particularly picked up on Phil 1:30. We're in this fight together! I always think I'm in the fight all alone.
In Phil 2:14 it says stay away from complaining. This is my current lesson from the Lord----watch your mouth, Sher and quit murmuring. Murmuring will keep me out of the promised land, Murmuring will get me another trip around the mountain. All things turn out for good for those that love the Lord. So I'm learning to praise Him in all situations----I have even been praising Him for the Mexicans next door. (especially since I want them to prosper and move---yeah---I'm still learning)
Yeah Sher -- I thought that was really interesting about the motives of those Jealous people; trying to discourage Paul with their version of preaching; but God takes all things and uses them for His purposes - - so Paul leaves it all to God. I need to do that, instead of trying to fight the battles - just let God handle the details of bitterness and jealousy!
Paul is sooo affirming of the Philippians. "you have a special place in my heart" Those are words everyone longs to hear - - and it will no doubt spur them on for the hopes he has for them!
He has such a burden for unity (I wonder if that was a major issue for them? and for all of us?) 1:27 and 2:2 are good to always remember - - It's easy to fall into the traps of 2:3; selfishness, trying to impress others - -
I really appreciate Paul's example of how Christ emptied himself in 2:7. As long as I keep my eyes on THAT; my little world falls into a much more peaceful condition!
Wow - did this reading today cement my "sermons" yesterday from God's 1st book of nature. Mostly Chapter 2 but I'll get there...
In 1 I really like the MSGs take on not just "loving much, but loving well". The counsel to led a lover's life, which brings to mind maybe a flighty, goofy & emotional person. But the description instead is a very thoughtful person, who thinks things thru with the mind, not just going with the emotion. This makes "Jesus Christ attractive to all, getting everyone involved in the glory and praise of God" v11.
I have greatly enjoyed 1:6 that God will not give up on me but will continue to do His will in me as I let Him. It's always me who gives up on me.
Check out this take on v29 "There's far more to this life than trusting in Christ. There's also suffering for him. And the suffering is as much a gift as the trusting." The thought that we or at least I usually get, is that we suffer because we're Christians. But what about what we've gone thru in our lives. Maybe we've suffered in our childhood, relationships, marriages, etc. But when we allow Christ to heal us & work in us...that brings Him glory too & we wouldn't change our suffering because we see our Jesus is glorified in our healing & how He helps others thru us & definitely in spite of us!
2:2 "...be deep-spirited friends..." Yeah - that's the kind of friend I want to be & want to have in my life now.
The incredible lack of self portrayed in the beginning of 2 just always embarrasses me because I am SOOOO selfish & always think of me first. And what I saw Sabbath in the mountains was very delicate & beautiful orchids with exquisite beauty & etched detail on their petals, blooming in extreme obscurity. In the dark, the only passerbys would be the wildlife & the lost hiker such as myself. But they didn't refuse to bloom, they obeyed & lived even if they would get trampled under a hoof without even being noticed. BUT even being lost, I noticed & it made a difference in my attitude. So, am I willing to bloom in obscurity for that one lost soul? Hmmm, so much to ponder there.
And v12, 13 too was cementing another point God was telling me yesterday. "Be energetic in your life of salvation, reverent and sensitive before God. That energy is God's energy, an energy deep within you, God himself willing and working at what will give him the most pleasure." It's all God! Duh! Easy & I still screw it up.
Every time God showed me something yesterday my response was "okay, what do you want me to do?" & then I'd start thinking about what I NEED TO DO. He just wanted me "on my knees, singing holy, holy.." to borrow Nichole Nordemans lyrics. Surrender, surrender, surrender.
I was wondering how the priests were able to eat everything. There were thousands of people who could bring offerings & if it was to be eaten, it had to be eaten that day only a certain offering could be kept til the next day. That was a lot to keep up with & there wasn't any refrigeration either. I guess it gave them 3 squares for sure but I'm guessing a lot of it just got all burnt because they were full.
I like the contrast of the people shouting for joy & then falling on their faces in reverence. I too feel like that at times. There's a place for everything. The joy of acceptance by Someone so perfect & holy & the awe of being in His presence & not being consumed.
Good question Chris, and I was thinking that if I was a priest, I wouldn't want to eat someone's guilt offering --
That was a lot of killing and different kinds of sacrifices. Do you think that was what they were used to in their culture; so God was trying to speak a language they understood? Although -- thinking back to Cain and Able, they did sacrifices, and they were some of the first people on earth. Hard to figure - but I'm glad I don't have to slaughter sheep and cows today:)
I guess if I was going to choose an offering that made sense? to me; it'd be the peace offering as an expression of thanksgiving.
Never eat the fat and the blood. Do you think that was a health issue, or an illustration issue? I know that the "life" is in the blood (not that I want to eat fat and blood) - - but is there something symbolic about it?
I wonder if Aaron's sons were excited about this procedure? We know that later, they were disrespectful of God's plan, but maybe they didn't want to be priests - - did they have an option? It doesn't sound like it. I know my kids would not like me telling them what occupation they would be doing for the rest of their lives. Maybe kids were different back then.
Moses applied blood to the lobe of Aaron's right ear, the thumb of his right hand, and the big toe of his right foot. Was that because he was to be holy in what he heard, did, and where he went?
I was also thinking that if the whole congregation was watching this ceremony - - it might get kindof long - - did they get bored? It sounds like they were fully engaged when we get to the end of 9. It would have been AWESOME to see the Lord's presence when he consumed the offering. Maybe they were all hoping He would accept it (accept them) and they were filled with JOY because of it!
19 shows me God's mercy. Here Elijah gets scared & runs instead of trusting God. After a big spiritual battle is won a lot of times a big failure happens. Sometimes it's because of pride or in this case I'm thinking it's because of expectation. Elijah probably was thinking a revival would happen. The people would unite & overthrow Jezebel & her system or Ahab would take control of her after seeing God declare Himself so obviously. But that was his expectation instead of surrender to God. I can definitely relate to that.
Instead of scolding Elijah for running, God provides food for him. Talk about a superfood! It doesn't say he ate again for 40 days/nights but was hiking the whole time! Interesting that Moses was sustained for 40 days/nights & Jesus fasted for 40 days/nights. Don't know if there's any significance in that. And then Moses & Elijah ended up in heaven.
Elijah's feeling kinda sorry for himself but his heart is soft because when God speaks in the quiet voice, he worships, he surrenders, he obeys. He's told to retrace his steps & he does. How many times has God found me in a place that I've run to (whether it be a physical, spiritual, emotional or mental state) & told me to go back over my steps to where I was before I ran & then blessed me or helped me thru what I ran from? A LOT!
Elijah's told to anoint a successor to himself but not told about his future. He doesn't ask either. I'd be curious as to if I'm gonna die or just retire. He just surrenders & obeys.
I think all the political things that happened back in the day to Israel/Judah just keep reminding me of current things. Nothing new under the sun for sure!
Jehoshaphat had a lot going for him, wonder why he hung around Ahab? Wonder if he felt that Israel/Judah should do so because they were related so to speak.
Ahhhh . . 1 Kings has so much more excitement than Leviticus!! I've taken to writing what I think, then going back to read what you guys write to see if there's any cross-over:)
1st of all -- I am a bit horrified at the power of kings' wives in the Bible. Jezebel, for sure -- who can cause one of God's mightiest prophets to fear and flee, along with taking down innocent Naboth; but I was also thinking of Herodias, that manipulated and plotted against John the B. Scary stuff -- the power of women in high places.
I love how God got the attention of Elijah with the BIG stuff -- then talked to him in the gentle voice. I think it helped Elijah realize that God is bigger than our Jezebels - - and that we need plenty of rest and food (take care of the body) to handle what lies ahead of us.
Go back the same way you came -- hmmm, is that like facing our fears? Not sure if there's anything there.
I thought it was interesting that Elijah blessed Elisha with his request to go back and kiss if fam -- but Jesus didn't want a follower if His to go back and bury his father. How are you supposed to know? Maybe it's all about the motive behind, and deep down -- we and God know the motives.
Interesting that God would use wicked Ahab to punish the Aram troops. Ahab was certainly willing to listen to the prophet then! But, once he had disobeyed and was called on it - the king of Israel went home to Samaria angry and sullen. Yeah -- I'm not so different. No one likes to be held accountable including me. I need to take the time to listen carefully in the first place, and then follow through.
I'm surprised that Jehosaphat would mess around in wars with Ahab. Especially when Ahab suggest that J. dress up like the king -- that's kindof underhanded. I wonder what J. called out to make them realize he was the wrong guy?
I am amazed at the courage of Micaiah. Really though -- it didn't matter what he said; Ahab was not going to work with him. It was a no win situation for Micaiah, but I hope I can have his courage to "say only what the Lord tells me to say"
Love your first paragraph about what might have caused Elijah's terror -- yeah, how many times do I have expectations (I always have the scenerio in the back of my mind how things might work out) and how many times has pride taken me down -- man it happens all the time.
I also like the thoughts on Elijahs surrender - - that's where we grow stronger, working with Him -- not apart from Him. Thnx Chris
PS -- we had some of the same thoughts on other stuff! High 5
Yeah Linda, insecure women in power are definitely a terror!
Psalms is a very honest, emotional book. The 3 chapters today were very paradoxical. One moment praise God as enemies are blown away & the weak are strengthened. Then the depression of "where are you God when I need you?". And we all can relate to both of them.
I'm grateful that God included this book because as humans & especially Christians we're really good at acting like it's all ok & quoting Bible verses & forget that it's also o.k. to say I'm struggling & things aren't so great right now. It's because we tend to dwell on the negative that we think we can't ever talk about it, but then how can we ever be healed from it if we don't acknowledge the problem?
God can handle our honesty - it's us who can't.
I like though how 77 ends - which is the correct way to deal with being in the dumps or rough times. Acknowledge them but then remember how God has worked in your life in the past & for others. It's very uplifting & when I do that I soon forget I'm bummed or upset & I'm praising Him even in my worse circumstances. I know it's because I've taken my eyes off of the circumstances myself & put them on my Source of Hope.
In 75, it reminds me (7) it is God alone who judges, and in (2) God says, At the time I have planned - - so I need to leave all judging to GOD! So why do I stress out at judging, cuz really, that's what judging does -- it stresses me! Instead, (9) reminds me to "always proclaim what God has done and SING!
I also appreciated the honesty of David - - he prays and lifts up his hands - yet he doesn't feel any comfort; then he's simply too distressed even to pray - -
But David reminds us that there is a discipline of the mind in vs 11. BUT THEN I recall all you have done, O Lord. Light always comes after the darkest part of night. As we force our minds to think of how God has worked, how God has blessed - we can crawl out of the black hole. I actually haven't had too many black holes yet -- but it's only a matter of time, simply because I live on earth. So I'm hoping to have the discipline of David and be able to focus my mind on all He has done.
When those black holes come, though -- good to remember 75:1 We give thanks because You are near. Even if we cry out and don't get any answers -- He IS near.
I can see that Solomon could be writing from 1st hand experience here & that it's an allegory.
I can also flip the sexes & put some of the men in my past into the seducing role & me as the mindless or even innocent one. It's sad that we take advantage of innocence like that. But then there's the mindless participant as well - just going on the emotional/physical desire & not having a clue why things end up in such a mess.
So the allegory part or spiritual lesson for me is not evening listening to the temptation, don't try to reason with satan or convert him like i try to do sometimes. I just get confused in my "great" argument & fall. I just need to steer clear when I see one, just say no & walk away. No matter what else is said/done to get a reaction - just walk (maybe even run) away & start talking to God - FAST!
I don't have the words to express how offensive I find Proverbs 7. Really? Solomon? Warning a young man void of good sense to stay away from prostitutes? You're right, Solomon---you who have so many concubines that you can't possibly find the time to sleep with them all, unless you're having sex with several at the same time on many nights.
You can just imagine the conversation that Jesus and I are having this morning.
I'm looking at today's reading from the prostitutes point of view. (No I've never been one) Her pimp's gone on a journey, so she decides she finally gets to make some money and keep it for herself. She's probably been either forced into the profession or was molested as a child by a man. So her natural bounderies have been broken through. The Bible doesn't give us her background. But I know some things through having ministered in a topless bar for a while. All the dancers whom I've ever spoken with were all molested when they were little girls. BY MEN. And here in this chapter Solomon only cares about senseless boys. It rubs me the wrong way.
Sherrie, I didn't get that she was a prostitute because mine says that it was a woman that dressed up like one since her husband was out of town. Actually, I got that same thing out of 2 versions.
And there are some prostitutes who haven't been sexually assaulted but do it because it's good $$$, no taxes & it's a temp thing because they can make a lot of $$$ fast & then they move on. But I know that is more of a minority right now. It's pretty territorial.
But you're right in the fact that a majority of the women in sex type jobs do have that in their background.
There's a world of hurt out there -- wow Sher -- those poor girls at the bar; I would like to hear more about your reaching out to them.
It IS amazing how Solomon could give such sound advice; when it appears he didn't follow it -- but I agree with Chris that mindless following after any temptation is a huge problem for all of us humans. I think that's why Solomon is crying to Guard yourself - - Love wisdom. In other words; think things through clearly before you get into this situation and have a plan (walk or run as Chris said) Seems like there is no excuse for blindly walking into temptation; yet how often we/I do it!!
And, as Chris pointed out -- it can work both ways, for men and for women. And the world of hurt cuts both ways, as Sher pointed out. Not at all what our Creator God had planned for us.
People must have been very familiar with the stories of Noah, Daniel, and Job -- even though I'm guessing many of them did not read (or maybe they did?) The stories of faithful men were well - known it seems.
Quite a word picture God paints in 16 of how desparately abandoned we are and how He loves us through all of our dirt, shame, and pain. and then, echos of the story of Satan in vs 15 "you thought your fame and beauty were your own"
Interesting in the eagle story - - toward the end in 22 the Lord says "I will take a branch from the top of a tall cedar, and I will plant it on the top of Israel's highest mountain. In 18:6 it says that the mountains is were Israel feasted before idols.
I think there's something about this mountain God/idol contest in Ps 121:1 & 2. I think Israel often went to the mountains to worship their idols for help - - and God is countering with you will find your help in ME, not your idols.
Also -- remember the great contest with Elijah and the prophets of Baal -- Mt. Carmel.
I appreciate the Lord's fair way of accountability. A parent can't save a child, a child can't saver a parent - - each one is held accountable for their own choices. But God desperately wants them to "turn back and live" 18:32.
His logic is sound when he says in 18:25 you say, The Lord isn't doing what's right? Listen - - am I the one not doing what's right, or is it you??
I can only imagine at times the emotional roller coaster in heaven. There's so much sorrow & mindless hurt that goes on in the world & there has to be incredible sadness & weeping at times if not all the time. But then there's the picture we get of parties being thrown when 1 person turns to God. I can't even come close to figure this upheaval out. I'm just glad we're given the comfort to know God understands both the joys & deep sorrows/hurts of our lives.
I relate to both sons in C15 because it seems like I only reflect back on things when I'm in deep need. I'm more teachable, but I need to be teachable even when it's all good. Seems like the son who stayed home wasn't because he didn't understand how much he had & the freedoms open to him. It's like he was serving out of duty instead of love. So that gave was to anger & the word "unfair" when the party was thrown for his brother. I can see his point there too. I have definitely been there, doing my duty & then when others are redeemed & people are patting them on the back, I get upset because I never got the pat on the back while I was doing my duty. So my motives were wrong. When I'm doing something because I HAVE to, then I'm not as happy & I'm just looking for acknowledgement or a reward. BUT when I do it out of love, I'm happy & not even thinking about it. Happiness & contentment are truly their own rewards.
This story of the rich man & Lazarus is the one that a lot of people I've met hang their whole belief on for going to heaven after they die. But they over look the fact that it's just a story, a parable & that's how Jesus taught the people. It evens says that's the only way He taught them (Matt 13:34, Mark 4:33,34)
So they miss the moral of the story. The Bible is there for us to seek the Truth & see Jesus. If I discount that, don't spend time with the Truth that's right in front of me, I'll discount any bigger extravaganza too. It's the little things that make or break us for sure!
I relate only too well Chris to your 2nd paragraph about being miffed when I've put in my time. I can't tell how often this week I've thought of your illustration of the beautiful little flowers blooming obscurely in the back woods (when you were not lost) a week ago:)
I was thinking about the JOY in heaven too -- reminded me of being an angel at J to C and cheering with the other angels with each of Jesus' victories -- and up there -- it's for real; all of heaven really loves and longs for each one of us.
I never noticed before the motive that turned the younger son back to his father -- he was hungry; it was all about his physical need. When he came home -- the father showered him with SO much grace - - but we don't really hear about the effect that had on the younger son. Did he realize how great the Father's love was for him and extravagantly love back? or did he take his Father's love for granted. Good question for me as well. Anyway -- where I was going with this, is - - each of us comes to God for different reasons maybe -- but his response of love is always the same - grace and love; then, what happens after that is up to us.
I'm still having trouble getting the point of why the rich man admired the dishonest rascal in 16. I know that the moral is in 10-12, but not sure how the two fit together. Any help there?
Yeah -- I think Jesus point about the Lazarus' story is that if people don't listen to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen eve if someone rises from the dead (hmmmm, could he be talking about Himself! I think so!) I've heard that this Abraham & Lazarus story was a story circulated around at Jesus time -- where do we get that? was it like a fable? did they believe the story? Not sure where that idea came from.
I have to say that although Paul is in prison in this passage, he definately writes a happy, loving letter full of the praises of our Lord Jesus Christ. Can't say I could do the same were I in his position.
ReplyDeleteI find it interesting that he talks about the motives of those who are preaching the Good News while he's in jail. Jealousy, Jealousy, Jealousy! I run into this spirit and it's manifestations continuously. Imagine---Paul is in JAIL, and people are preaching to make Paul jealous thinking that their success will add to his sorrows while he's in jail.
I particularly picked up on Phil 1:30. We're in this fight together! I always think I'm in the fight all alone.
In Phil 2:14 it says stay away from complaining.
This is my current lesson from the Lord----watch your mouth, Sher and quit murmuring. Murmuring will keep me out of the promised land, Murmuring will get me another trip around the mountain. All things turn out for good for those that love the Lord. So I'm learning to praise Him in all situations----I have even been praising Him for the Mexicans next door. (especially since I want them to prosper and move---yeah---I'm still learning)
Yeah Sher -- I thought that was really interesting about the motives of those Jealous people; trying to discourage Paul with their version of preaching; but God takes all things and uses them for His purposes - - so Paul leaves it all to God. I need to do that, instead of trying to fight the battles - just let God handle the details of bitterness and jealousy!
ReplyDeletePaul is sooo affirming of the Philippians. "you have a special place in my heart" Those are words everyone longs to hear - - and it will no doubt spur them on for the hopes he has for them!
He has such a burden for unity (I wonder if that was a major issue for them? and for all of us?) 1:27 and 2:2 are good to always remember - - It's easy to fall into the traps of 2:3; selfishness, trying to impress others - -
I really appreciate Paul's example of how Christ emptied himself in 2:7. As long as I keep my eyes on THAT; my little world falls into a much more peaceful condition!
Wow - did this reading today cement my "sermons" yesterday from God's 1st book of nature. Mostly Chapter 2 but I'll get there...
ReplyDeleteIn 1 I really like the MSGs take on not just "loving much, but loving well". The counsel to led a lover's life, which brings to mind maybe a flighty, goofy & emotional person. But the description instead is a very thoughtful person, who thinks things thru with the mind, not just going with the emotion. This makes "Jesus Christ attractive to all, getting everyone involved in the glory and praise of God" v11.
I have greatly enjoyed 1:6 that God will not give up on me but will continue to do His will in me as I let Him. It's always me who gives up on me.
Check out this take on v29 "There's far more to this life than trusting in Christ. There's also suffering for him. And the suffering is as much a gift as the trusting." The thought that we or at least I usually get, is that we suffer because we're Christians. But what about what we've gone thru in our lives. Maybe we've suffered in our childhood, relationships, marriages, etc. But when we allow Christ to heal us & work in us...that brings Him glory too & we wouldn't change our suffering because we see our Jesus is glorified in our healing & how He helps others thru us & definitely in spite of us!
2:2 "...be deep-spirited friends..." Yeah - that's the kind of friend I want to be & want to have in my life now.
The incredible lack of self portrayed in the beginning of 2 just always embarrasses me because I am SOOOO selfish & always think of me first. And what I saw Sabbath in the mountains was very delicate & beautiful orchids with exquisite beauty & etched detail on their petals, blooming in extreme obscurity. In the dark, the only passerbys would be the wildlife & the lost hiker such as myself. But they didn't refuse to bloom, they obeyed & lived even if they would get trampled under a hoof without even being noticed. BUT even being lost, I noticed & it made a difference in my attitude. So, am I willing to bloom in obscurity for that one lost soul? Hmmm, so much to ponder there.
And v12, 13 too was cementing another point God was telling me yesterday. "Be energetic in your life of salvation, reverent and sensitive before God. That energy is God's energy, an energy deep within you, God himself willing and working at what will give him the most pleasure." It's all God! Duh! Easy & I still screw it up.
Every time God showed me something yesterday my response was "okay, what do you want me to do?" & then I'd start thinking about what I NEED TO DO. He just wanted me "on my knees, singing holy, holy.." to borrow Nichole Nordemans lyrics. Surrender, surrender, surrender.
blooming in obscurity -- that's what I want to do:) Thnx Chris for your wonderful insights!
ReplyDeleteI was wondering how the priests were able to eat everything. There were thousands of people who could bring offerings & if it was to be eaten, it had to be eaten that day only a certain offering could be kept til the next day. That was a lot to keep up with & there wasn't any refrigeration either. I guess it gave them 3 squares for sure but I'm guessing a lot of it just got all burnt because they were full.
ReplyDeleteI like the contrast of the people shouting for joy & then falling on their faces in reverence. I too feel like that at times. There's a place for everything. The joy of acceptance by Someone so perfect & holy & the awe of being in His presence & not being consumed.
Good question Chris, and I was thinking that if I was a priest, I wouldn't want to eat someone's guilt offering --
ReplyDeleteThat was a lot of killing and different kinds of sacrifices. Do you think that was what they were used to in their culture; so God was trying to speak a language they understood? Although -- thinking back to Cain and Able, they did sacrifices, and they were some of the first people on earth. Hard to figure - but I'm glad I don't have to slaughter sheep and cows today:)
I guess if I was going to choose an offering that made sense? to me; it'd be the peace offering as an expression of thanksgiving.
Never eat the fat and the blood. Do you think that was a health issue, or an illustration issue? I know that the "life" is in the blood (not that I want to eat fat and blood) - - but is there something symbolic about it?
I wonder if Aaron's sons were excited about this procedure? We know that later, they were disrespectful of God's plan, but maybe they didn't want to be priests - - did they have an option? It doesn't sound like it. I know my kids would not like me telling them what occupation they would be doing for the rest of their lives. Maybe kids were different back then.
Moses applied blood to the lobe of Aaron's right ear, the thumb of his right hand, and the big toe of his right foot. Was that because he was to be holy in what he heard, did, and where he went?
I was also thinking that if the whole congregation was watching this ceremony - - it might get kindof long - - did they get bored? It sounds like they were fully engaged when we get to the end of 9. It would have been AWESOME to see the Lord's presence when he consumed the offering. Maybe they were all hoping He would accept it (accept them) and they were filled with JOY because of it!
19 shows me God's mercy. Here Elijah gets scared & runs instead of trusting God. After a big spiritual battle is won a lot of times a big failure happens. Sometimes it's because of pride or in this case I'm thinking it's because of expectation. Elijah probably was thinking a revival would happen. The people would unite & overthrow Jezebel & her system or Ahab would take control of her after seeing God declare Himself so obviously. But that was his expectation instead of surrender to God. I can definitely relate to that.
ReplyDeleteInstead of scolding Elijah for running, God provides food for him. Talk about a superfood! It doesn't say he ate again for 40 days/nights but was hiking the whole time! Interesting that Moses was sustained for 40 days/nights & Jesus fasted for 40 days/nights. Don't know if there's any significance in that. And then Moses & Elijah ended up in heaven.
Elijah's feeling kinda sorry for himself but his heart is soft because when God speaks in the quiet voice, he worships, he surrenders, he obeys. He's told to retrace his steps & he does. How many times has God found me in a place that I've run to (whether it be a physical, spiritual, emotional or mental state) & told me to go back over my steps to where I was before I ran & then blessed me or helped me thru what I ran from? A LOT!
Elijah's told to anoint a successor to himself but not told about his future. He doesn't ask either. I'd be curious as to if I'm gonna die or just retire. He just surrenders & obeys.
I think all the political things that happened back in the day to Israel/Judah just keep reminding me of current things. Nothing new under the sun for sure!
Jehoshaphat had a lot going for him, wonder why he hung around Ahab? Wonder if he felt that Israel/Judah should do so because they were related so to speak.
Ahhhh . . 1 Kings has so much more excitement than Leviticus!! I've taken to writing what I think, then going back to read what you guys write to see if there's any cross-over:)
ReplyDelete1st of all -- I am a bit horrified at the power of kings' wives in the Bible. Jezebel, for sure -- who can cause one of God's mightiest prophets to fear and flee, along with taking down innocent Naboth; but I was also thinking of Herodias, that manipulated and plotted against John the B. Scary stuff -- the power of women in high places.
I love how God got the attention of Elijah with the BIG stuff -- then talked to him in the gentle voice. I think it helped Elijah realize that God is bigger than our Jezebels - - and that we need plenty of rest and food (take care of the body) to handle what lies ahead of us.
Go back the same way you came -- hmmm, is that like facing our fears? Not sure if there's anything there.
I thought it was interesting that Elijah blessed Elisha with his request to go back and kiss if fam -- but Jesus didn't want a follower if His to go back and bury his father. How are you supposed to know? Maybe it's all about the motive behind, and deep down -- we and God know the motives.
Interesting that God would use wicked Ahab to punish the Aram troops. Ahab was certainly willing to listen to the prophet then! But, once he had disobeyed and was called on it - the king of Israel went home to Samaria angry and sullen. Yeah -- I'm not so different. No one likes to be held accountable including me. I need to take the time to listen carefully in the first place, and then follow through.
I'm surprised that Jehosaphat would mess around in wars with Ahab. Especially when Ahab suggest that J. dress up like the king -- that's kindof underhanded. I wonder what J. called out to make them realize he was the wrong guy?
I am amazed at the courage of Micaiah. Really though -- it didn't matter what he said; Ahab was not going to work with him. It was a no win situation for Micaiah, but I hope I can have his courage to "say only what the Lord tells me to say"
Love your first paragraph about what might have caused Elijah's terror -- yeah, how many times do I have expectations (I always have the scenerio in the back of my mind how things might work out) and how many times has pride taken me down -- man it happens all the time.
ReplyDeleteI also like the thoughts on Elijahs surrender - - that's where we grow stronger, working with Him -- not apart from Him. Thnx Chris
PS -- we had some of the same thoughts on other stuff! High 5
Yeah Linda, insecure women in power are definitely a terror!
ReplyDeletePsalms is a very honest, emotional book. The 3 chapters today were very paradoxical. One moment praise God as enemies are blown away & the weak are strengthened. Then the depression of "where are you God when I need you?". And we all can relate to both of them.
I'm grateful that God included this book because as humans & especially Christians we're really good at acting like it's all ok & quoting Bible verses & forget that it's also o.k. to say I'm struggling & things aren't so great right now. It's because we tend to dwell on the negative that we think we can't ever talk about it, but then how can we ever be healed from it if we don't acknowledge the problem?
God can handle our honesty - it's us who can't.
I like though how 77 ends - which is the correct way to deal with being in the dumps or rough times. Acknowledge them but then remember how God has worked in your life in the past & for others. It's very uplifting & when I do that I soon forget I'm bummed or upset & I'm praising Him even in my worse circumstances. I know it's because I've taken my eyes off of the circumstances myself & put them on my Source of Hope.
In 75, it reminds me (7) it is God alone who judges, and in (2) God says, At the time I have planned - - so I need to leave all judging to GOD! So why do I stress out at judging, cuz really, that's what judging does -- it stresses me! Instead, (9) reminds me to "always proclaim what God has done and SING!
ReplyDeleteI also appreciated the honesty of David - - he prays and lifts up his hands - yet he doesn't feel any comfort; then he's simply too distressed even to pray - -
But David reminds us that there is a discipline of the mind in vs 11. BUT THEN I recall all you have done, O Lord. Light always comes after the darkest part of night. As we force our minds to think of how God has worked, how God has blessed - we can crawl out of the black hole. I actually haven't had too many black holes yet -- but it's only a matter of time, simply because I live on earth. So I'm hoping to have the discipline of David and be able to focus my mind on all He has done.
When those black holes come, though -- good to remember 75:1 We give thanks because You are near. Even if we cry out and don't get any answers -- He IS near.
I can see that Solomon could be writing from 1st hand experience here & that it's an allegory.
ReplyDeleteI can also flip the sexes & put some of the men in my past into the seducing role & me as the mindless or even innocent one. It's sad that we take advantage of innocence like that. But then there's the mindless participant as well - just going on the emotional/physical desire & not having a clue why things end up in such a mess.
So the allegory part or spiritual lesson for me is not evening listening to the temptation, don't try to reason with satan or convert him like i try to do sometimes. I just get confused in my "great" argument & fall. I just need to steer clear when I see one, just say no & walk away. No matter what else is said/done to get a reaction - just walk (maybe even run) away & start talking to God - FAST!
I don't have the words to express how offensive I find Proverbs 7. Really? Solomon? Warning a young man void of good sense to stay away from prostitutes? You're right, Solomon---you who have so many concubines that you can't possibly find the time to sleep with them all, unless you're having sex with several at the same time on many nights.
ReplyDeleteYou can just imagine the conversation that Jesus and I are having this morning.
I'm looking at today's reading from the prostitutes point of view. (No I've never been one)
Her pimp's gone on a journey, so she decides she finally gets to make some money and keep it for herself. She's probably been either forced into the profession or was molested as a child by a man. So her natural bounderies have been broken through. The Bible doesn't give us her background.
But I know some things through having ministered in a topless bar for a while. All the dancers whom I've ever spoken with were all molested when they were little girls. BY MEN. And here in this chapter Solomon only cares about senseless boys. It rubs me the wrong way.
Sherrie, I didn't get that she was a prostitute because mine says that it was a woman that dressed up like one since her husband was out of town. Actually, I got that same thing out of 2 versions.
ReplyDeleteAnd there are some prostitutes who haven't been sexually assaulted but do it because it's good $$$, no taxes & it's a temp thing because they can make a lot of $$$ fast & then they move on. But I know that is more of a minority right now. It's pretty territorial.
But you're right in the fact that a majority of the women in sex type jobs do have that in their background.
There's a world of hurt out there -- wow Sher -- those poor girls at the bar; I would like to hear more about your reaching out to them.
ReplyDeleteIt IS amazing how Solomon could give such sound advice; when it appears he didn't follow it -- but I agree with Chris that mindless following after any temptation is a huge problem for all of us humans. I think that's why Solomon is crying to Guard yourself - - Love wisdom. In other words; think things through clearly before you get into this situation and have a plan (walk or run as Chris said) Seems like there is no excuse for blindly walking into temptation; yet how often we/I do it!!
And, as Chris pointed out -- it can work both ways, for men and for women. And the world of hurt cuts both ways, as Sher pointed out. Not at all what our Creator God had planned for us.
People must have been very familiar with the stories of Noah, Daniel, and Job -- even though I'm guessing many of them did not read (or maybe they did?) The stories of faithful men were well - known it seems.
ReplyDeleteQuite a word picture God paints in 16 of how desparately abandoned we are and how He loves us through all of our dirt, shame, and pain. and then, echos of the story of Satan in vs 15 "you thought your fame and beauty were your own"
Interesting in the eagle story - - toward the end in 22 the Lord says "I will take a branch from the top of a tall cedar, and I will plant it on the top of Israel's highest mountain. In 18:6 it says that the mountains is were Israel feasted before idols.
I think there's something about this mountain God/idol contest in Ps 121:1 & 2. I think Israel often went to the mountains to worship their idols for help - - and God is countering with you will find your help in ME, not your idols.
Also -- remember the great contest with Elijah and the prophets of Baal -- Mt. Carmel.
I appreciate the Lord's fair way of accountability. A parent can't save a child, a child can't saver a parent - - each one is held accountable for their own choices. But God desperately wants them to "turn back and live" 18:32.
His logic is sound when he says in 18:25 you say, The Lord isn't doing what's right? Listen - - am I the one not doing what's right, or is it you??
Well Linda, I was thinking we'd have the same thoughts & thought I'd let you post 1st :D.
ReplyDeleteI was surprised on the Noah, Job, Daniel bit because I was thinking that Ezekiel/Daniel were contemporaries but maybe not.
Otherwise, yeah, we had the same thoughts!
I can only imagine at times the emotional roller coaster in heaven. There's so much sorrow & mindless hurt that goes on in the world & there has to be incredible sadness & weeping at times if not all the time. But then there's the picture we get of parties being thrown when 1 person turns to God. I can't even come close to figure this upheaval out. I'm just glad we're given the comfort to know God understands both the joys & deep sorrows/hurts of our lives.
ReplyDeleteI relate to both sons in C15 because it seems like I only reflect back on things when I'm in deep need. I'm more teachable, but I need to be teachable even when it's all good. Seems like the son who stayed home wasn't because he didn't understand how much he had & the freedoms open to him. It's like he was serving out of duty instead of love. So that gave was to anger & the word "unfair" when the party was thrown for his brother. I can see his point there too. I have definitely been there, doing my duty & then when others are redeemed & people are patting them on the back, I get upset because I never got the pat on the back while I was doing my duty. So my motives were wrong. When I'm doing something because I HAVE to, then I'm not as happy & I'm just looking for acknowledgement or a reward. BUT when I do it out of love, I'm happy & not even thinking about it. Happiness & contentment are truly their own rewards.
This story of the rich man & Lazarus is the one that a lot of people I've met hang their whole belief on for going to heaven after they die. But they over look the fact that it's just a story, a parable & that's how Jesus taught the people. It evens says that's the only way He taught them (Matt 13:34, Mark 4:33,34)
So they miss the moral of the story. The Bible is there for us to seek the Truth & see Jesus. If I discount that, don't spend time with the Truth that's right in front of me, I'll discount any bigger extravaganza too. It's the little things that make or break us for sure!
Pick up the sword!
I relate only too well Chris to your 2nd paragraph about being miffed when I've put in my time. I can't tell how often this week I've thought of your illustration of the beautiful little flowers blooming obscurely in the back woods (when you were not lost) a week ago:)
ReplyDeleteI was thinking about the JOY in heaven too -- reminded me of being an angel at J to C and cheering with the other angels with each of Jesus' victories -- and up there -- it's for real; all of heaven really loves and longs for each one of us.
I never noticed before the motive that turned the younger son back to his father -- he was hungry; it was all about his physical need. When he came home -- the father showered him with SO much grace - - but we don't really hear about the effect that had on the younger son. Did he realize how great the Father's love was for him and extravagantly love back? or did he take his Father's love for granted. Good question for me as well. Anyway -- where I was going with this, is - - each of us comes to God for different reasons maybe -- but his response of love is always the same - grace and love; then, what happens after that is up to us.
I'm still having trouble getting the point of why the rich man admired the dishonest rascal in 16. I know that the moral is in 10-12, but not sure how the two fit together. Any help there?
Yeah -- I think Jesus point about the Lazarus' story is that if people don't listen to Moses and the prophets, they won't listen eve if someone rises from the dead (hmmmm, could he be talking about Himself! I think so!) I've heard that this Abraham & Lazarus story was a story circulated around at Jesus time -- where do we get that? was it like a fable? did they believe the story? Not sure where that idea came from.
Have a sunny 4th you guys!